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Glenrock State Conservation Area update for 18 Jun
I'm using all the names on the latest map so people know what area I'm talking about. I road G-Rock at 3pm this arvo (Saturday).
Double Barrel, Twisties ('n'Dip) and Reload all good.
Kenny is wet in the usual spots with a few little mudholes and puddles, HOWEVER the east end of Kenny in the meadow is a MESS. If you can not swim do not fall off here or you will drown. Best to avoid it all together.
High Roller, BJ's (surprise), (Sh)it happens and Seuss Land are all good with a few muddy holes. The biggest danger here is all the tree matter that has fallen onto the track. Definitely ripe for ripping of a rear derailer. I came close.
Avoided the Shaft due to earlier reports. Thanks guys.
Snakes and Ladders all good, although can the MTBers who ride down it not lock up your back brake and destroy the track. The Alliance have worked hard to make it a pleasure to ride and it's getting rutted up already.
Seismic is on fire! The rain has washed all the loose stuff away and the berms are big fun. Same with 6 shooter.
Cheers
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good report, with more sun & wind most of those wet spots will dry!-as for 'Baileys' I will use the secret bypass to get around it.
what can we do to it?-99% of trails worked on by GTA/NPWS/World Trail are ok!, by the way who left the small gardeners hand shovel near the only muddy spot on BJ's?-was it waiting for a trailfairy to fix muddy spot?
Baily's will always be like that after heavy rain. this time next week it should be dry.
cannot be placed in too hard basket!-blocks of concrete? the old solution of pallets?
Northshore?
yeah a boardwalk/north shore style thing would be ace... at the You Yangs in Vic there are a few sections of board walk that are a heap of fun.
BTW saw two motos heading into G'Rock off the Fernleigh today
Weve been through this with NPWS way back when the first part of Baileys was rebuild with gabion cages.
We had pallets in there, but they are a safety issue for whoever is in there with the tractor mowing and they don't provide very good access to fire vehicles in an emergency.
today aroung 1pm to 2pm ish
Any white utes in the carpark at gun club?
I have a white ute Lenny but I use 2 feet & a heart beat to power along!
I knew you didn't seem trustworthy. You've been smuggling in the motos. Games up mate.
The first time, with the materials they used it could have worked but they chose to overlook some details that Lenny and I pointed out to them.
Anyway I do have a plan to fix it which has been basically accepted by NPWS, but with all the other stuff that needs doing it's a matter of when.
i don't think it is in the to hard basket, i think it is in the to big basket. It's a bog from one end of the clearing to the other.
went for a ride yesterday arvo.
It's amazing what good design can do for drainage. All the new stuff is in great condition, much of the old stuff is a boggy mess. which serves the main point, poor design can mean weeks between wet and dry, good design can mean days.
Awesome. Watch out for shaft. Rocks have been thrown in a large bog (at the bottom of the old chute on shaft)
Watched a couple of riders on the A line on kw as well. Couldn't ride it at all.
What do you mean
rode the reworked chute this morning in the dark,all good just got to watch your speed at the bottom. Couldnt believe how wet baileys is never seen it that bad.
couldn't ride it meant it was outside of their skill set.
Also, the problem with a boardwalk on Baileys is that it's primary role is as a fire break. Adding a boardwalk will mean that the slasher won't be able to cut the grass in there.
Baileys is hardly ever dry in the winter and I avoid it like the plague. I turn left at the easement about 100 metres past The Chute and ride up to the gate, climb over gate at the corner of Scenic Drive and Pacific Highway. It only about 200 metres east to the gate that accesses the top of Baileys Trail, then down the trail and left onto the track that runs up to BJ's and High Roller. That is the only way i know to avoid Baileys. Is there any other way around it?
we had that (way around it) conversation about 2 years ago. NPWS went with the drainage solution. It had worked very well really until now. The last 12 months has seen a much improved baileys paddock, although i don't think all the traffic has helped out much.
The short-cut, NPWS have asked that we please avoid going through the driveway at the Bailey's house - the one people live in - as it's like going across their front lawn.
The solution we have in mind for the paddock doesn't involve a boardwalk or bridge, it has to be vehicle access as well.
Really this is NPWS's problem as it's a fire trail, but as we use it so much and it is a problem for us I'd like to get it fixed.
There is no way in hell that a fire break that big is needed, its just that it has always been kept clear since its farm days.
I say build the board walk while its clear and access is good then let the natural bush regenerate around it. I know this option would cost a fair whack but how cool would it be in a few years to be riding an elevated boardwalk through the trees that the GTA had planted. Let the fire trail be single vehicle width like the rest of the park.
Another option continue the single before you get to baileys to link up with the fire trail that heads down the hill and climb back up to the start of BJs.
Its in the Plan of Management as a paddock to be used for whatever, just a rest or picnic area even. I dont think its a bad thing to preserve. Anyway its a big job and the cost of building and maintenance has to be considered.
Will have to see how it goes, its not finished yet. I was going to make it more difficult.
I think routing a trail onto a structure is something that would need very careful consideration before you decided to go ahead.
There is a significant cost to build and then the NPWS would bear the burden of maintaining it.
I've been on seemingly well made stuff before that hasn't had the maintenance kept up and it is not ideal to come across a section where the slats are loose or broken away completely.
The implications for NPWS if someone were to bin it in such a scenario would be interesting.
A structure as an off trail feature is different, because you can always close it down for maintenance and there is no impact on the main line.
I would much rather see the resources put into rerouting away from the area altogether. Some nice single track would seem like a lot more interesting ride anyway.
Fair point T. I wont argue wit that.
I'd like to see us push for a bit of singletrack in the bush just below Bailey's. I think we can manage the water issue much much better on single track in the tree's than in a paddock. contours to funnel water into rock crossings would be a very nice addition i think.
There is a single track leading off to the right just before the gradient leading down into Baileys Paddock. I followed it a few years ago but it did not lead anywhere except into a lot of lantana and mozzies and an annoying hike a bike to get back up to the main trail. That must run somewhere underneath Baileys Trail, could that single track not be routed to hook up with the hairpin halfway up Baileys Trail?
I've went exploring down there once too.
The funny thing is that the top looks like it sort of gets used but then it peters out into nothing.
It looks like it gets used because it is essentially a perpetual mistake. People keep taking it, so it so the entrance stays in great condition, then it goes nowhere and you walk out.
I think branching this trail off to join the baileys management trail at the hairpin would be ideal, but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen in the short term.
Well there is a great name for that trail if and when it is ever developed "Perpetual Mistake" or "Baileys Mistake".
thats one of Mr Bailey's regular running paths (at least it was a year or so ago). Apparently his sons used it as a hill to ride their billy carts down. If you go down far enough you will find an old car chasis in the scrub (the billy cart). This trail does go all the way down to the bottom of the valley, and then up towards the old dump site.
built a boardwalk on the great north walk up near charlestown pool end. Haven,t seen it for a few years,would be interesting to see how its holding up. Have also seen them built in other mtb parks cant remember where exactly but they looked good.
Im with you refresh single below the paddock would be more manageable.
Empy go ahead make it harder we need some technical stuff in there.